tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post5526324824845937124..comments2024-03-07T05:17:49.252-05:00Comments on Boiled Sports: Is The Shillelagh Game In Trouble?J Moneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-5552263494825905442012-09-17T16:41:32.418-04:002012-09-17T16:41:32.418-04:00http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/073007...http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/073007aab.html<br /><br />UM-ND booked till 2031tippet523https://www.blogger.com/profile/06505913789298365377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-42280648711577185872012-09-17T16:32:12.752-04:002012-09-17T16:32:12.752-04:00This year ND plays 3 ACC teams already. BC, Miami...This year ND plays 3 ACC teams already. BC, Miami and Wake Forest.<br /><br />They could drop Oklahoma, Pitt or BYU before they drop Purdue.<br /><br />plus they like to have another close road game for Alumstippet523https://www.blogger.com/profile/06505913789298365377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-62240935124614168892012-09-15T16:00:50.162-04:002012-09-15T16:00:50.162-04:00I am old enough to be set in my ways, and I would ...I am old enough to be set in my ways, and I would miss the ND game, arrogant fans and butt-whoopings notwithstanding. However, if we have to give them up, could we set up a permanent rivalry with Louisville or Kentucky? Those schools are more than close enough to encourage road trips both ways. The states of Indiana and Kentucky already have high school basketball rivalries (in the form of the annual all-star games), so the thought of an annual slugfest on the gridiron could generate a lot of buzz. Plus, I have lots of cousins who are UofL and UK fans, so I could tweak them. The trophy could be a huge Mason Jar of water from the Ohio River.<br /><br />However, in all seriousness, I could see a Hoosier State/Bluegrass State football rivalry being a positive change and a new reason to get excited about Boilermaker football.ubuckonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462452109253210659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-62692111122022383252012-09-14T14:28:44.776-04:002012-09-14T14:28:44.776-04:00I think you mean a 9th, BT game, right? There are ...I think you mean a 9th, BT game, right? There are 8 right now. <br /><br />But yes, you're right... more conf games makes out of conf scheduling more tricky. J Moneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-22584178597946070002012-09-14T11:45:15.698-04:002012-09-14T11:45:15.698-04:00I will miss the game. I also question how easily ...I will miss the game. I also question how easily it will be to lock in a solid out of conference opponent year after year. Though, isn't there going to be an 11th B1G game in a few years? Three directional school games and 11 B1G games will be a decent season.MrAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358827027143837550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-12093405774169428382012-09-13T17:26:10.411-04:002012-09-13T17:26:10.411-04:00The road games are national on NBC; last year'...The road games are national on NBC; last year's game was ESPN (and regional IIRC). The point about attendance is solid, though. I think there are no other non-conference opponents who will draw like that and also come to West Lafayette. (Few draw like that, period.) <br /><br />I would guess the recruiting benefits are marginal. Being on regional TV is one thing; getting whacked on regional TV is another. It helps more than, say, playing Western Kentucky on BTN, and there's no guarantee Burke would replace ND with a name school, but I think the idea of playing regional opponents, particularly ones closer to Purdue's level (Missouri, for example), is probably better in the long run ... we're more likely to already be recruiting in those areas, and kids are more likely to be watching those games in the first place.zlionsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966540737106797756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-53627041198092091722012-09-13T16:26:10.316-04:002012-09-13T16:26:10.316-04:00One thing that I haven't seen brought up a lot...One thing that I haven't seen brought up a lot lately is the fact that a home Notre Dame game is pretty much a guaranteed sell-out. Which is a huge boon to a program like ours who struggles to sell games out otherwise. For example, last year 61,555 people were at Ross-Ade for the Notre Dame game. Average attendance for Purdue football last year was only 45,225. It would be hard to find another non-conference opponent who can be that big of a local draw. Not to mention the fact that the game is televised nationally on a non-cable network which helps raise Purdue's profile and helps with recruiting. If I had a vote, I'd cast it to keep the game, no doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-27747254445971931212012-09-13T16:11:21.769-04:002012-09-13T16:11:21.769-04:00Good thoughts here. I'm torn as well, but at ...Good thoughts here. I'm torn as well, but at the end of the day, I know my opinion doesn't really matter much to the powers that be.<br />ND and their fans don't really think of Purdue as a "rivalry": we're just a "W" on the schedule. But since with all the changes in college football over the last two years, shouldn't we expect something like this. ND wants to keep their TV rights for themselves, and so the ACC bent over for them. The B1G(12) wasn't willing to do that. Good on the B1G. I now look to Burke (and not holding my breath) to set up another good game to take the place of ND. A PAC12 team would be great (I'm biased). But another mid-level team from a major conference would be great. Planghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02653369707738276129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-42954618561771888142012-09-13T15:44:51.064-04:002012-09-13T15:44:51.064-04:00I'm conflicted. Tradition is tradition, and b...I'm conflicted. Tradition is tradition, and beating storied programs like ND is a memorable experience for the players, coaches and fans. Even though the BTN shows plenty of Boilermaker games now, I'm sure the coaching staff entices potential recruits with the tagline that they will be on national TV every year playing ND-- so it's a recruiting tool, and a great hook.<br /><br />The flip side is that I'm tired of arrogant UND fans and a rivalry that has become one-sided. If one is to believe tiresome unfounded speculation from Domer bloggers, Purdue's only on the schedule out of a combination of habit, laziness and some sort of enforced, hidebound tradition. I'd rather see games played against upper-Midwest programs like Missouri and Iowa State, even near-midwest schools like Pitt and WVU.<br /><br />Burke, hear me now: offer to immediately remove UND off the football schedule in exchange for placing the Irish on the basketball schedule on a regular basis. If Swarbrick is all about the dollars and cents (UND football is a cash cow; basketball, not so much) he will jump at this despite his vocal opposition to the idea in the past. This way the rivalry between the -schools- can continue, while it sets up what is an essentially new rivalry in a different sport. <br /><br />As far as UND's quasi-membership in the ACC, I honestly thought it was an April Fool's joke gone astray. Domer football will continue on its march to near-irrelevance with their ACC opponents-- I doubt regularly playing the likes of Maryland, Duke and NC State will do much for their strength of schedule component.The Accidental Expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14334197325765873801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-25188530774940861852012-09-13T13:39:47.656-04:002012-09-13T13:39:47.656-04:00I wouldn't be upset to not see them on the sch...I wouldn't be upset to not see them on the schedule going forward. Like a few others already noted, freeing up a game to play some home-home match-ups against a variety of schools from around either the country or Midwest (Mizzou, K-State, Texas Tech, etc) could be a lot more interesting and beneficial in the long run. ATL_Boilershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11665692459699425260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-86860279141945931822012-09-13T12:56:54.003-04:002012-09-13T12:56:54.003-04:00I feel more than a little insulted that they don&#...I feel more than a little insulted that they don't consider this rivalry game historic or important. At this point their move to the ACC is like having your long time girlfriend cheat on you with 14 other dudes... We shouldn't be the pathetic schmuck who still buys her gifts and dinner while she's screwing around with the lacrosse team. It's time to cut the Dame off completely, listen to some Meatloaf and get on with our life... There are other fish in the sea... But hopefully we don't just turn to the ugly girls in the MAC.Beenkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15619236556614781982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-66275005429508210532012-09-13T12:37:48.739-04:002012-09-13T12:37:48.739-04:00I care a pretty decent amount. I don't want t...I care a pretty decent amount. I don't want to play ND anymore. I don't think MSU should play them anymore. I don't think UofM should play them anymore. Nothing would give me more pleasure than Delany discouraging all B1G teams from scheduling any events with ND.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I think the most likely outcome is a 2-out-of-3 rotation with MSU and UofM.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11868201009886465670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-62692170846703718852012-09-13T12:30:24.329-04:002012-09-13T12:30:24.329-04:00Rick -- Right, but isn't the Miami game part o...Rick -- Right, but isn't the Miami game part of some "Classic" they've conjured up? My point is just that that's another game they've likely got teams in mind for for future years... now maybe they'll be ACC teams, yes, but also maybe not. J Moneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-43316272961022386932012-09-13T12:28:31.211-04:002012-09-13T12:28:31.211-04:00I think this is the Domers telling their midwest f...I think this is the Domers telling their midwest fanbase to F off. Midwest Domers enjoy having MSU, UM, and PU as close road games. I see Swarprick nixing two these games to build his "national" brand. They will cut PU asap and I couldn't care less. BoilerWhathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06471282598601347245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-51677417286000210572012-09-13T12:24:08.828-04:002012-09-13T12:24:08.828-04:00a small point but the Miami series with ND would c...a small point but the Miami series with ND would count as one of the 5 ACC games so that opens a slotBoilerRickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11092629300152371190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-72821277307709849962012-09-13T12:19:22.252-04:002012-09-13T12:19:22.252-04:00To David Schoon, yes, the Big Ten has been pursuin...To David Schoon, yes, the Big Ten has been pursuing ND aggressively for many years. However, they wanted them only as a full football member. I don't think ND ever had any interest in the Big Ten because they did not want to be tied to a full conference schedule in football, and a conference like the Big East, and now the ACC, are much better fits for ND in the non-football sports.Santos L. Halperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926848808475929994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-54703611522080969282012-09-13T12:13:41.659-04:002012-09-13T12:13:41.659-04:00The Big Ten would be fools to get scammed the way ...The Big Ten would be fools to get scammed the way the Big East was (and the ACC might be, although ND's drawing power isn't nearly what it was, back in an era where games weren't on six days a week). Bring football to the table or stay home. We're not dividing up a pie you had no interest in helping to bake.<br /><br />I would imagine the Big Ten's approach to everyone was about the same: you will be an equal partner (aside from initially-decreased revenue). Not Animal Farm-style equal, either. If that's not OK, see ya.zlionsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966540737106797756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-504122773164196352012-09-13T12:10:59.897-04:002012-09-13T12:10:59.897-04:00Nice post J. This is the first thing I thought of ...Nice post J. This is the first thing I thought of when I heard ND was going to the ACC. I'll say I will miss the in-state rivalry. <br /><br />The second thing, I wonder if the Big Ten said we want all (football) or nothing... Wonder what everyone's thoughts on that are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277941434519216536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-5272715911996122552012-09-13T12:02:56.277-04:002012-09-13T12:02:56.277-04:00Given the ties between ND and Purdue, I would say ...Given the ties between ND and Purdue, I would say it's more likely that ND continues to play Purdue and drop Michigan. Of the 3 annual Big Ten games ND plays, Purdue and Michigan State have a better chance of staying on the schedule than Michigan.Santos L. Halperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926848808475929994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-50993720503855569982012-09-13T11:58:59.647-04:002012-09-13T11:58:59.647-04:00When I was student and young alumnus, I would have...When I was student and young alumnus, I would have been upset at the prospect of not playing Our Lady of Football. Now, dont let the door hit you on the way out. This makes the possibility of match-ups like the Oregon home and home from a couple years ago that was so entertaining more likely. SB fans and adiministration havent seen this game as important since the 70s or 80s. Time for us to turn the page.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-27233055929517803642012-09-13T11:49:45.477-04:002012-09-13T11:49:45.477-04:00Where is this "poll" you speak of?
As f...Where is this "poll" you speak of?<br /><br />As for the game? Good Riddance! We dont need to schedule them, their fan base is insufferable and the B1G should not be in the business of helping out TSISB; if they want to go play with the noted powers in the superconference that is the ACC, they can go ahead.<br /><br />I really think the BIG should either a) push the PAC to reconsider the scheduling agreement or b) start talking to the SEC about setting something up. the Playoff format is going to force the hands of the top tier schools who need the marquee games and "ease of scheduling" is going to play into that. Couple that with the potential to add another conference game for SOS purposes and we become the ones who dont have time for TSISBSeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05253158803797551448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-46152580889771680682012-09-13T11:39:07.629-04:002012-09-13T11:39:07.629-04:00Good point about the fans. I was thinking that but...Good point about the fans. I was thinking that but forgot to include it. I think there are probably about 90-95 other I-A schools we could play that would have a more reasonable fan base than Notre Dame.zlionsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966540737106797756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-18878822118675771572012-09-13T11:37:11.800-04:002012-09-13T11:37:11.800-04:00My first thought when hearing this was pretty much...My first thought when hearing this was pretty much the same as COD. While it may take a few years to get used to, I would rather us schedule a non-con game against a mid-level major conference team from the Big 12, SEC, or Pac 12 that we have a chance of beating. As much as I hate to say it, ND is on it's way up as a program and I don't see us having a chance at beating them more than once or twice in the next decade.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329903973322950492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-67958847501872560942012-09-13T11:31:51.443-04:002012-09-13T11:31:51.443-04:00Also - I'm not seeing a poll in the sidebar. I...Also - I'm not seeing a poll in the sidebar. It might be my adblocker.CODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16207776957256101693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-45470321825444191212012-09-13T11:30:46.565-04:002012-09-13T11:30:46.565-04:00I agree with the above. I'll kind of miss the ...I agree with the above. I'll kind of miss the game, but if we replace it with one we can win more than once a decade it might be a net positive. Also, not having to interact with their arrogant fans every year wouldn't be a bad thing.CODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16207776957256101693noreply@blogger.com