tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post5974225854969076185..comments2024-03-07T05:17:49.252-05:00Comments on Boiled Sports: The Dismantling of a Legend Rightfully ContinuesJ Moneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-72801252580200423992012-07-16T10:06:57.069-04:002012-07-16T10:06:57.069-04:00Dan- You nor I know what prayer he prayed before h...Dan- You nor I know what prayer he prayed before he passed. We do know that he was not held accountable according to the laws of the state and nation that he lived in.SJDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02955904940549302601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-79902113615692104142012-07-15T08:27:05.672-04:002012-07-15T08:27:05.672-04:00From a Christian perspective and assuming that the...From a Christian perspective and assuming that the Freeh report is accurate (and apparently there is a sizable body of supporting evidence), Joe Paterno may have gotten off too easy in this life, but he did NOT get off too easy--not even close.Dan Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15615244752464618948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-15087458805472317372012-07-13T20:33:26.403-04:002012-07-13T20:33:26.403-04:00Exactly. You set an example so that the next time ...Exactly. You set an example so that the next time a bunch of crooked old men sit in a plush suite, discussing what to do about the felon among them, someone says "Look, I don't want to come forward either, but you know what they did to Penn State. We can't afford to have that happen here." And if it doesn't get their attention, it gets the trustees' attention, so instead of trusting (no pun intended) the president to do his job, they demand regular reports to ensure he's doing it.<br /><br />If the NCAA gives them a slap on the wrist, it won't deter the Paternos and Curleys of the world. What gets their attention is a sledgehammer. <br /><br />For the more cynical among us - that's me - it would also divert attention from the growing realization that the NCAA basically preys on revenue-sport athletes. It's easy PR. Even if PSU fights sanctions in court, even if they win, the NCAA can say they tried ... and if they don't whack Penn State, then they're vulnerable to a lawsuit the next time, say, Ohio State is caught doing something. "You punished us because some kids got tattoos; PSU let kids get raped and they got nothing?" It may not be legally sound, but it'll carry weight in the court of public opinion.<br /><br />Guys like Staples can whine about side effects all they want: guys like him have been singing Paterno's praises for the last 14 years, too. I prefer Rick Reilly's column today.zlionsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966540737106797756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-41828477765624084002012-07-13T14:42:55.508-04:002012-07-13T14:42:55.508-04:00The whole argument that the current kids and coach...The whole argument that the current kids and coaches did nothing wrong and shouldn't be punished rings a little hollow when we punish Ohio State for things that Tressel, Pryor and others did (and they're all gone) and we punish USC for things that Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll did (and they're gone). <br /><br />You need to make an example and do justice. Does sending a murderer to prison or death row bring back the person they killed? No, but it makes others feel better and demonstrates how an unholy level of lacking institutional control will not be tolerated.J Moneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-36320107164048500782012-07-13T13:14:28.862-04:002012-07-13T13:14:28.862-04:00Have to agree with Benjamin. This is a horrific c...Have to agree with Benjamin. This is a horrific crime that involved a few football coaches, but it is not an NCAA violation. And those thinking that an NCAA death penalty will stop this in the future are thinking backwards. What is more effective at stopping a crime? The threat of not going to the Outback Bowl, or the threat of going to jail for a long time. The people involved are going to jail plus they are going to be sued and will lose most of their personal wealth. On top of that they will never work again. Their lives will and should be ruined. Penn State is going to be sued and lose a chunk of their endowent plus they may lose some federal/state funding. If all of that doesn't make a person report a pedophile, the losing a few scholarships sure as hell isn't going to. <br /><br />The link below is Andy Staples take on this. Pretty good.<br /><br />http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_staples/07/02/penn-state-jerry-sandusky-ncaa/index.htmlAndrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00981081456317462825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-25204273508562622482012-07-13T11:46:02.879-04:002012-07-13T11:46:02.879-04:00Boom. Z is in this house.Boom. Z is in this house.SJDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02955904940549302601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-45828039238321187562012-07-12T16:38:33.918-04:002012-07-12T16:38:33.918-04:00The Big Ten should absolutely boot Penn State. The...The Big Ten should absolutely boot Penn State. There are obviously a lot of people who seem to think that football is above the law. (Of course that doesn't apply only at the college level: there are plenty of professional examples as well.) Someone, either the NCAA or the Big Ten, has to get people to connect actions and consequences. <br /><br />The president of the university, the athletic director, and the head football coach protected a serial child rapist who was using Penn State facilities for part of his crimes. It is impossible to separate the actions of those people from the university and the athletic program. That is, in fact, the point of their positions: to represent athletics and the school. <br /><br />When people in those positions decide that it's more important to protect football than to obey the law with respect to a suspected felon, then it becomes necessary to demonstrate that football is not above the law. <br /><br />Will that affect people who did not take part in the decision to shield Sandusky? Yes. That's how punishment works. You nail the people immediately responsible for it, and if the punishment affects others, perhaps that will give the next person in line cause to think twice before making the same mistake.<br /><br />Because the flip side of that argument is that all you need to become immune to punishment is enough people depending on you. After all, there are people depending upon Spanier and Schultz, and frankly people depending on Paterno's legacy as well, because I'm not convinced that Jay has anything other than a last name to recommend him as a coach. Does that mean they shouldn't be punished? Of course not. <br /><br />Plenty of people depended on SMU's football program, which is a legitimate reason for the NCAA to be hesitant to impose the death penalty. (A poor reason is that they are afraid to reduce the revenue on which they rely, which is why, say, USC football and UK basketball will never get the death penalty.) But they did it anyway, because it was necessary to get a message across. Today, people are still defending Penn State, even in the face of Sandusky's convictions and a particularly damning report, released at the same time as a letter from Paterno that shows no admission of wrongdoing, no guilt, nothing other than a plea to remember the good that the program did. <br /><br />All that good did nothing to prevent those kids from being raped. Maybe expulsion from the Big Ten will send a message that will protect the next set of kids from becoming the next set of victims.zlionsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966540737106797756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-20618583305799456332012-07-12T15:51:46.918-04:002012-07-12T15:51:46.918-04:00The second part of the NCAA's mission (Core Va...The second part of the NCAA's mission (Core Values) states (among other things) that they strive to create an organization of academic institutions, through sport, that:<br /><br />-pursue and achieve the highest levels of integrity<br /><br />-enhance the sense of community which they're a part of<br /><br />-strengthen the identity of their institution<br /><br />-are autonomously led by the university's leadership, by the university's standards<br /><br />Penn State deserves punishment from the NCAA because, as a member of this association of universities that participate in NCAA sanctioned events, they've agreed to abide by the NCAA's rules.<br /><br />Your analogy is flawed because banking has nothing to do with Athletics.<br /><br />I'll go one step further- the B1G should kick PSU out (as J talks about) because, once again, the university, athletic department and finally, football program doesn't exemplify anything that the B1G says it stands for.<br /><br />The acts of Sandusky, by themselves, don't warrant any such action. But the massive cover-up by coaches and administrators absolutely calls for action by the NCAA and B1G.SJDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02955904940549302601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-23788592658901786572012-07-12T15:30:25.291-04:002012-07-12T15:30:25.291-04:00There should be harsh sanctions against the FB pro...There should be harsh sanctions against the FB program as well as charges brought against anyone that knew anything about this and covered it up/failed to report it. This was about more than protecting a friend... it was about protecting Jo Pa's legacy and the Penn State football program. This is all a result of trying to maintain PSUs FB program. The program needs to be punished, it ruined lives! It still hosted the deviant up until the scandal came out! Some of these assaults happened in conjunction with PSU football trips and functions. This is total lack of control. If someone is going to take the position that this will hurt the current players... they can TRANSFER! This is not solely about college athletics, but this is definitely about protecting the football program's image above protecting the lives of innocent CHILDREN! That is why the program needs to be punished... regardless of whether those in charge are still there or not!Boilergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07229938453273368017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-75183790162047394802012-07-12T14:37:45.429-04:002012-07-12T14:37:45.429-04:00Ben -- so now you're sure only five people bro...Ben -- so now you're sure only five people broke the rules? So what about if it WAS an on-field incident, but only five people were involved and they all were either dead or in prison or no longer at the school? Should the school still not be punished?<br /><br />You're looking at it from the perspective of how it would punish current players, staff and students and wouldn't be fair in that sense, and I get that. But from a larger, more holistic view, not punishing PSU in a major way does a disservice and isn't fair to the victims. Also, it reflects poorly on all of us if nothing is done as they are a member of the NCAA and the Big Ten. <br /><br />The program was an inanimate co-conspirator/enabler in all of this. The lack of control around programs is often punished, even when those responsible are long gone.J Moneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-45302636204060310912012-07-12T13:54:15.329-04:002012-07-12T13:54:15.329-04:00@Ryan
5 people broke rules. The organization did...@Ryan<br /><br />5 people broke rules. The organization did not. There wasn't a culture bred among all the players and coaches that fostered the molestation of children. This was an isolated incident that would have occurred whether or not college football was involved. The NCAA punishing PSU will not deter other schools from doing this kind of thing. This entire situation reaches far beyond football, and (to me) the NCAA stepping in only fosters the impression that it is on par with our justice system. This isn't about football or college athletics, stop trying to make it be. Making this about college athletics takes attention away from those who deserve it right now, and that's the victims and criminals who let this happen. <br /><br />The people responsible have been punished by the school, to the fullest extent, and hopefully will be by the law.<br /><br />Also, you failed to tell me why my analogy was flawed?Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12560439437035884322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-19096372583021484512012-07-12T13:30:17.433-04:002012-07-12T13:30:17.433-04:00Your analogy is extremely flawed, Ben.
Paterno, t...Your analogy is extremely flawed, Ben.<br /><br />Paterno, the athletic dept. and the Paterno not only represent the football program, but are an iconic part of the NCAA. For the NCAA to do nothing would be a travesty. PSU broke rules and laws alike in the process of covering-up this situation...they continued by not firing EVERY person who knew about this and did nothing about it.SJDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02955904940549302601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-26979813928522473812012-07-12T13:23:01.741-04:002012-07-12T13:23:01.741-04:00The NCAA would be overstepping its bounds if it br...The NCAA would be overstepping its bounds if it brought down any sanctions on Penn State. This is a legal matter that needs to be handled in a legal way. The NCAA can deal with cheating and improper recruitment all it wants, but this has nothing to do with sports. Would the SEC get involved if a banker was molesting little boys? <br /><br />As another blogger said, "Paterno is dead. Sandusky is in prison. The other 3 officials will probably face some kind of civil lawsuits." The people who caused this tragedy are being punished. There is no need to punish the players, coaches and fans for something they had no part in.Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12560439437035884322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-90442825689445610092012-07-12T13:15:12.336-04:002012-07-12T13:15:12.336-04:00It's also interesting how many supporters and ...It's also interesting how many supporters and even many in the mainstream media continue to say this has nothing to do with the program and so the program shouldn't be punished. It's just a continuation of the head-in-the-sand, fingers-in-the-ears approach that Paterno always cultivated. <br /><br />As I said in my post on this back in November, I'm embarrassed that they're part of the Big Ten and in any way associated with Purdue, no matter how tangentially. <br /><br />The conference would be well within their rights to ask them to leave.J Moneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09925161304409415806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36696801.post-68670764246854677622012-07-12T12:37:55.334-04:002012-07-12T12:37:55.334-04:00I couldn't have said it better, B-dowd. No amo...I couldn't have said it better, B-dowd. No amount of punishment for the university or the individuals involved in the cover up will be too severe.Ben Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02570592765548376336noreply@blogger.com