Monday, March 08, 2010

The 1-Seed Debate

There's been a lot of debate among the Purdue faithful about the railroading that our Boilers are getting by the national media.

Gary Parrish from CBS has the Boilers 11th in his poll and Jeff Goodman of Fox has them at 9th. Both have the Boilermakers behind Kansas State, who lost twice last week including to Iowa State. Yes, Iowa State. (Parrish also ranked 26 teams, but I'm just assuming he's a functioning illiterate. Goodman works for Fox, so he probably hasn't ever even seen a college basketball game.)

Their logic is that Purdue is beating mediocre teams, which apparently proves nothing. I see. Of course, Kansas State lost to a VERY mediocre (actually, poor) team in Iowa State. At home. On senior night.

Purdue has gone 26-4 this year, as you likely know. They won their conference after being 2-3 while MSU was 5-0. They had a 14 game win streak and a 10 game win streak. They have -- get this -- ZERO bad losses. Usually, when a team is "profiled" at this time of year, they show quality wins and bad losses. Purdue has lost:

--to Ohio State (in a game the Boilers gave away in the final three minutes)

--at Northwestern (their worst loss, though the Mildcats will likely wind up with 20 wins this year, so not exactly Iowa State caliber)

--at Wisconsin (where if they made FTs they would have won) and

--versus MSU in their first game without Rob Hummel (in which they held MSU to only 53 points, but couldn't score themselves).

They have beaten FOUR top ten teams (OSU, MSU, WVU, Tenn) and have gone 3-1 (I'm counting the Minn game) since Rob's knee buckled. Very few teams have only four or fewer losses on the season. Very few have played as consistently well as the Boilers.

And yet, I'm here to tell you, the #1-seed is a pipe dream folks.

I don't think the committee is as dumb as many of the analysts we're subjected to on a nightly basis...BUT, we know that three are locks for 1-seeds: Kansas, Kentucky and Syracuse. They're already decided. So that leaves one spot.

Right now, it's Duke. Sure, Duke can't win tough games on the road. Sure, the ACC is kind of a joke this year. But if Duke wins the ACC tournament (and only Maryland is really a likely challenge for them), you know there's no way Coach K and the golden boys at Duke will be denied.

But let's say somehow they fail to get that #1 seed. Who's next? Most likely West Virginia, who has somehow remained the apple of many media type's eyes.

Since they're in the super-duper-awesomest Big East, WVU will get all sorts of credit for having any kind of a good showing in that tournament (is it really a tournament when you have double-byes?). And if WVU is a candidate, so is Pitt, since they've got nearly an identical record and also play in the infinitely awesome Big East.

And after that? Well, this morning Seth Davis was on Dan Patrick's show and actually said K-State is still in the fricking running for a 1-seed. And I tend to think Seth knows a thing or two, which is why this is even more disturbing. He said if they win the Big 12 Tourney, they might get it. Which is just.....reprehensible.

Take a little look at Kansas State's schedule. They've beaten no one. They finished tied for second in the Big 12...four games back. And when they had their chance to impress, they got swept by Kansas...as per usual. Their one impressive win, if you can call it that, was over then-number-1 Texas. And we all know how valuable that actually is, now that we've seen Texas would be a bubble team if they didn't race out of the gate to 17-0. K-State's body of work is wholly unimpressive. And they just lost to an under-.500 Iowa State team. They shouldn't be in the top ten, let alone even in the conversation about a 1-seed.

In the end, I don't think the committee would do something silly like give K-State or 7 (or 8) loss OSU a 1-seed. But I do think it's Duke's to lose right now and even if they do something nutty like losing early in the ACC tourney, it's then in the hands of a Big East team. And then, after that, if Purdue has absolutely steamrolled the BTT (and Purdue isn't the steamrolling type of team) and is sitting at 29-4, it'd be hard then to not give it to them.

I didn't believe Purdue was going to get a 1-seed even back when Lunardi was predicting them as such, before Rob got hurt. I figured that they would lost another game or two on the season and that would be used against them. And so I've come to grips with this a long time ago. If you see me prattling on about disrespect on our Twitter feed, it's because I think they're not getting respect -- but I'm not even trying to make a case for a 1-seed. I gave that up long ago. I went to Purdue -- I'm used to my teams being overlooked.

They should be a two-seed and I don't think there's much they can do to screw that up, short of losing in embarrassing fashion in their first BTT game.

My point? Don't get yourself too wrapped up in the idea that the Boilers could still get a 1-seed. They won't. It will not happen. And then you'll just be absolutely furious next Sunday, when you should be happy and excited that the big tourney is almost here.

Let's take a two-seed and let them prove (again) that they belong.

(Oh, and the photo accompanying this post? No particular reason. Happy Monday.)

13 comments:

Unknown said...

When it comes down to it, theres not that much of a difference between a 1 and 2 seed. No way we're getting a 1-seed, It'll be Duke that secures the final one-seed as they're... Duke and they won the all-powerful ACC.

Purdue never has and never will get respect from the media, as soon as Rob went down they were all chomping at the bit to discredit us in a "I knew they were gonna fail all along" tone.

One last note: look for an early exit by SU. You cannot win games going zone only. UL exploited it like mad on Saturday in a very good game in their last game at Freedom Hall. Boeheim is not that great of a coach and he gets way too much credit.

just my .02

Plang said...

I was looking over the number of teams from each conference that are predicted to make it into the tourny. The Big East leads the way, of course, followed by the Big 12 (saw that coming) and then other confrences. The average I'm seeing for the Big 11 is 4 teams. Really? Only the ACC and Pac 10 will have fewer out of the big confrences. So, if you are in the Big 11 and not ranked, you are screwed? Really?

Personally, I will be very happy next Sunday evening when all the guessing about who will make it in and where will be over, and all the guessing about who will get to the Final 4 will begin.

Chris said...

I'm fully expecting a #3 seed. But it'll be a 'high' #3 seed! (note sarcasm).

N_seed = N_(Reasonable seed) - N_(number of knocks)

We could be sitting at #1 had we had a good 2nd half against MSU.

J Money said...

Plang -- I hear you, but after top four is Illinois, who has really underachieved...

Kevin said...

With Hummel, no doubt we're a 1 seed. Without, we're lucky to stay at a 2 seed. I think best case senario is we claim the best 2 seed (5th overall) and play in Milwaukee. I still like our chances regardless. BTFU.

Plang said...

J- true enough. As the season wore on, more teams seemed to be shaken down a bit. But still...

That is the one true delight of the NCAA basketball tournament - seeing all the smaller programs get in and try to advance. I'm looking at Northern Iowa to go deep this year!

Anonymous said...

Wait? What did you say? I am still focused on the pic. Oh - I almost remember when the little woman looked like that.

zlionsfan said...

at home. to Iowa State.

Then again, some jackass in the coaches' poll still has Syracuse at #1. The real problem, of course, is that the polls are treated as some kind of high standard rather than what they actually are, an aggregation of personal favorites that is no better than (and most likely considerably worse than) a blogpoll. (Tell me again how coaches have time to watch enough other games and rank teams accurately. No, I mean the ones who fill out the ballots themselves. Are there any left?)

The polls decided that Purdue was a worse team because Hummel is out (which is correct) and then ranked them accordingly (which is not correct if you're supposed to be ranking teams based on results).

Sagarin has the Boilers 7th (with Duke, WVa, and Villanova?). Massey hasn't updated yet, but Purdue was 6th last week with K-State 5th, which is a good sign. So those computers kind of like Purdue, but not really more than the voters. Kenpom has them 10th, but then Wisconsin is 3rd and BYU 5th. yeah. And then the RPI ... 11th ... I guess this is where we get to blame Weber and Tubby and Beilein and Carmody for not having better programs?

It's true, there isn't much difference between a 1 and a 2, and there's a lot less risk (again I mention Western Carolina). They just need to play strong in Indianapolis and then in Milwaukee and onward.

CalTravelGuy said...

We got trashed today on Mike & Mike in the Morning. I'm done listening to all the analysts... we just have to win our games.

J Money said...

ChicagoBoiler -- What did those two brain-dead, forced a-holes say about Purdue? I'm very curious since they're ill-informed (or surface-level-informed) on big topics, so I can only imagine how ignorant they sounded on Purdue.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I agree for the most part. It just sucks that Purdue seems to get the shaft in the sports talk around the country, when we are good. I am finally starting to come to terms with that.Being from Indy and reading the IU Star while growing up was rough and should of prepared me. Yet when we got to #3 in the polls you would think someone, other than Steve Lavin and Scott Van Pelt praising the Boilers or Digger and Gary Parish hating the Boilers, would hear something. We might as well play on the moon.

Also, well done on the smut. That is two nice photos in two days. How about we get some SIDE BOOB FRIDAY in honor of Tournament Time????

Mommatried said...

For whatever it is worth...I like the 2 seed and I like the look of Purdue coming out of the West bracket...we've beaten just about everybody in that bracket once with this class...and it would be fun to see them roll to the Final Four. I'm not feeling too good about clinching the B10 by giving up 38 points to Penn State in the second half...not exactly the defensive effort you want to see from a team built around defense. Either way, BTFU.

tippet523 said...

is the picture @calbuch? that is the important question