However, when you look at the current state of affairs, I don't know how you can be anything but discouraged. Yes, the team is 2-2, which is where we thought they'd be at this point, but it's the way they've gotten here that is disturbing. They could -- and arguably should -- be 1-3 right now. The effort Saturday night was deplorable. And what do I mean by that? Sure, a loss is a loss, but losing in that manner in front of lots of recuits and on national television is just... embarrassing.
Look at this same situaiton two years ago. Purdue was hosting a night game vs. ND and didn't play all that well, but late in the game the Boilers mounted an inspiring comeback and took the lead. And held it until Jimmy Clausen converted a late fourth down TD pass after Coach Hope's staff called a head-scratching time out to give them time to think it over. However, regardless of how pissed we were at the time, it was a nice showing. No, there are no moral victories really, but losing 24-21 on national TV and seeing how much of a out-of-their-ass, desperation win it was for ND reflected well on the direction of the Purdue football program. No, they weren't there quite yet, but they had taken Oregon to the brink in their house and nearly taken down a talented ND team. If only the play-calling got a little better, we all thought, and maybe things will be where they need to be. But that will come...right?
Here we are, two years later, and the play-calling was arguably more infuriating, the discipline was far worse, the coaching staff looked far more befuddled and the press conferences exude more confusion than confidence anymore.
If Purdue had hung with Notre Dame Saturday night -- or even hung some points on the board -- then you could have some confidence going into the meat-grinder that is the Big Ten season. But until the ND third-stringers were in on defense, the Boilers had managed a field goal the entire night. That's embarrassing. Notre Dame is good, but they're proving week after week that they're not really that good.
Let's look at some other truths we've learned thus far.
Ricardo Allen is not quite where we had hoped. RA is a good player, to be sure, and he's very athletic. But he was worn out by Michael Floyd. The Irish had no hesitation to go at Purdue's gifted corner and Floyd made the Boilers pay over and over. I did like seeing Ricardo get in Floyd's face at one point, but we needed a shutdown kind of game on Floyd and, honestly, #21 was barely noticeable out there. Please don't take this as a shot at Ricardo -- I like him a lot and I think he's undoubtedly Purdue's best cornerback. But we should probably have not expected so much of him as a sophomore. He'll have his big plays this year, I'm confident of that, but to expect him to shut guys down like he's Darrelle Revis is not fair of any of us.
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Robert Marve should be starting. I know at least one member of the BS editorial staff is on "Team TerBush," but the senior staff members are of the opinion that Robert Marve gives this team the best chance to win games. He has a confidence that TerBush doesn't quite seem to have, he has a better arm, and he is a better decision-maker. This is nothing against Caleb TerBush -- but Marve was brought here because he is very talented and is the kind of QB that a team like Purdue needs. He deserves at least a game or two -- like TerBush has gotten -- to show his skills from start to finish. Putting him into a game like Saturday's against ND with the team already down two touchdowns is not exactly a fair shake. Let him start the game and lead the team and see where things land. I know Gary Nord said he's not healthy enough to play an entire game at this point, but that simply cannot be true. If you're not healthy enough to play a full game, you shouldn't be out there at all.
The playcalling remains questionable at best and awful at worst. Speaking of Nord, he and the rest of the coaches had two weeks to prepare for ND and we were told that they used that time to put in some different looks, etc. The Tommie Thomas trick play pass was not well-executed, and not only that, but we know for a fact that they worked on that play the week before the SEMO game. My point? That even with three weeks of practice, it didn't work. And what was the other out-of-the-norm play on Saturday? Siller lining up at QB on third down of Marve's first series and running.... the option? Sort of? What the hell was that? Did Gary Nord think that bringing in Siller was going to put ND on their heels and open up a running lane? Because I'll let everyone in on a little secret -- guys who are known to be able to pass well (i.e., Marve) are more likely to create that running opportunity.
And speaking of running, why did the Boilers not try at all to establish the running game on Saturday? I know it's difficult when you're down, but they could have still had a game plan to run the ball and control the clock. Even down 14-0, that could work, because there was plenty of time left to chip away and, really, the only way you're going to have a chance at beating that ND team is to keep their offense off the field as much as you can. But the first play from scrimmage from Purdue is a pass play that gets picked off.
Now, let me say this. If Purdue wants to go 999 and throw a bomb down the sideline on the first play of the game versus ND, I say go for it. I'm not gonna eat your lunch for that, even if it gets picked because at least we would all look at it and say, "Damn, they're going for the jugular!" But a pass over the middle, across his body....intro what looked like triple coverage? I just don't understand how that was the first play called. It makes no sense, no matter how I try to reconcile it in my head. Bolden and Shavers -- two of the brightest lights for Purdue this season -- were almost invisible Saturday night. Why?
Obviously, play-calling could be its own post -- or web site -- so I will stop there for now.
Purdue is not opportunistic. There are always intangibles in football. Things that happen that turn the tide and allow a team that is not as good on paper to win a game. Purdue does not do any of those things. Oh, sure, you could point to the two blocked FGs Purdue has thus far this year, I suppose, and that's definitely somethiung. But what about the air-mailed Tommy Rees pass that hit the Purdue DB in the numbers? What about Carson Wiggs missing his 50+ yard field goal attempt at a time when Purdue really needed points? No, it's not fair to get on Carson -- and I'm not -- for missing that. But if you're opportunistic, those things go right for you. As Boilerdowd is fond of saying, good teams make their own luck. If Tommie's pass is outside the numbers, it's a touchdown. If Floyd's fumble is fallen on by a Purdue defender, the momentum changes. Those things just don't seem to happen for this team and while I don't think you can necessarily blame anyone for that, it's definitely happening.
2010 is still in their heads. Coach Hope talks about it constantly, comparing his QB situation this year to last year, talking about being afraid of injuries like last year, etc. Last year is last year and the focus should be on what's ahead. Purdue should not be avoiding contact and tackling in practices because someone might get hurt. It's a big boy game and these things need work. And on that note...
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The Big Ten season hasn't even started yet for Purdue. Let that one sink in on ya for a few minutes. If you're depressed about the season right now, just wait until Wisconsin hangs 75 on your Boilers. In truth, I don't think that will necessarily happen because I think the defense will come to play, but that is a game that is rather...concerning...and could get ugly in a hurry.
Repeating what I said after the Rice loss, the season is far from over. No matter how you feel, the Boilers are 0-0 in Big Ten play and get to begin against Minnesota this Saturday at home. This is likely Purdue's last real chance at a comfortable win and, yes, you can and should expect Purdue to beat Minnesota handily. If that does not happen, I would worry about any more wins the rest of the season.
Your thoughts on things are welcome here, as always.
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I was at the game with my parents and girlfriend. My girlfriend had never been to Ross-Ade and as we approached the stadium and then saw the game nearly sold out she remarked, “this is cool.” I have to admit that I was happily surprised by the turnout. The student section was absolutely electric, jumping around to the pre-kick music and seeing the players recognize them before the game was awesome. Leading up to the kick I thought this game felt a lot like 2007 Ohio State game. Both sellouts, both night games, although I think this crowd was better. However, I was hoping that the result would be better. Unfortunately just like that game, the air in the stadium was quickly deflated and even though the fans continued to be loud throughout the first half, there was no coming back after the second quarter. Just like that Ohio State game, the fans answered the call of the athletic department to support their team. They drove or flew in, bought hotel rooms and concessions, screamed their lungs out, and in return we got Hope telling us that the team practiced really well but just couldn’t execute.
This was my last game until Hope is gone. I realize that it is still early in the season, and had I seen anything positive up until this point I would hold judgment until the end of the season. But, as J said, we have seen nothing to think that we will win more than one game the rest of the season. As I commented in the previous post, Hope is costing the university $1.7 million a year ($900k in salary, $800k in lost ticket sales.) For that sum of money we could easily get a decent coach and be in the hunt in November.
Only other possible wins...
Minny, PSU, and IU. And that requires Marve to be the starter. Regardless of our record at the end of the season (I see no more than 4 wins, really), Hope has proven that he is not up to the job. He needs to be let go and Burke needs to put up some real money for a real coach (I know, it's Burke). If Burke refuses, he needs to go. The AD is bleeding money by allowing this free-fall to continue. If we want to be in the top half of the B1G and competitive year in/year out, we need to fork over the money for a talented coach. As little as I know about football talent, it seems the cupboard shouldn't be as bare as when Tiller left. Hire a talented coach and see what happens. Hope is not working out. He needs to be a coordinator, at best.
I don't think Marve is any better than Terbush. Despite the pick 6 for Terbush, they both look the same. The O-line was not good, the receivers couldn't get open, and when they did, they dropped too many passes. Terbush complete 66% of his passes, Marve only 40%. Marve is better moving around under pressure, which was quite often, but in terms of completing passes, I would say they are on equal footing. Because of that, you play Terbush. He's got another year.
Great post L2F, but Danny Hope has cost and is costing Purdue a lot more than $1.7 million a year. Part of the problem is a bit of a "Cubs Factor" here. The administration doesn't really care. Purdue gets enough revenue and fan support to live very comfortably. Stay with me...
Attendance will average in the 40k range for this season and probably every season. As long as we have BTN money and share the Big Ten's bowl game money (sure to grow with Nebraska now) and share the new Big Ten Championship game money AND continue to get big TV money every year from our game with ND (you don't really think we'd see an ABC prime time slot without the hated Domers, do you?), the administration is slow to rock the boat on a formula that "works."
I think the curtain was pulled back on Purdue's "culture of losing" earlier this year by Coach Painter. Thanks to Painter, we have a real commitment to winning in basketball now. The culture of losing still applies to Football though. I say we reject this culture for our football program and demand change... demand better!
We can debate this for weeks, months or even years. We all know that we won't win with Danny Hope as our coach... we hired a guy who was 35-23 at a nobody school and it blew up in our face.
Purdue fans deserve better and there are great coaches out there. Firing Danny Hope right now would send a clear message that our culture of losing in football is over. We have the tradition, we have the facilities and we have the fans. And, the exposure we can offer recruits with our schedule and the B1G? Come on! We act like a battered wife who feels like she doesn't deserve a great husband. We DESERVE a great coach... let's go get one. Now.
It's fine to give Marve a couple full games, he is at least as good as TerBush but neither one has impressed me at all and that includes last year before Marve went down.
As for Allen and Johnson, we should stop any accolades until they do something against good competition. They were both exposed, embarrassed and need to earn recognition with steady play against good receivers and QBs.
What really concerns me is the total lack of discipline and smarts. Early ND drive includes a post whistle shove in the back by a player not in the initial shoving, a late hit out of bounds, a celebration penalty by Evans on a play where he was beaten in the endzone but the pass was long, and holding in the end zone. I may have missed a 5 yard penalty somewhere in that mess. We looked stupid and panicked from the start.
Here's Burke's solution to slumping ticket sales:
http://www.jconline.com/article/20110929/SPORTS020101/109290319/Slump-ticket-sales-concerns-Burke
Get rid of the stands in the South endzone, rather than put a winning team on the field.Thanks to UCFBoilernole at Hammer & Rails.
The comment by Nord that Marve isn't healthy enough to play a full game feels more like an excuse not to play him rather than a reflection of reality. I don't know why the coaching staff feels like they have to stick with ter Bush, maybe because Marve will be gone after this season (no way he gets a 6th year) and they want to build for the future but I think Marve just brings more to the table than ter Bush at this point.
The fact that we don't tackle during practice is ridiculous, and it shows on game day.
The point J made about the talent on our team is well taken. Look at a team like Michigan State or Wisconsin; they don't show up at the top of recruiting rankings yet year in and year out they have successful seasons. Why? Because they play hard, disciplined ball. And as far as play calling is concerned, both squads have very basic packages, and there's not a lot of variability in what they run, but what they do run, they run well. If you don't have the raw talent that teams like Alabama and Ohio State have, then you have to figure out what kind of team you are, and run those plays to perfection. No tricks, no schizophrenic play-calling. Know who you are, and work on perfecting that. And I'm not seeing that from our coaching staff.
I've been out on Hope for a while (and in fact wasn't even a big fan of his hiring) but every year someone's managed to talk me back in. But not any more. It would take a miracle for Hope to justifiably keep his job after this season.
At least the people in the press box looked like they were having fun. That's what important, right? If I'm at another Big Ten school, I'm shitty with Purdue's AD who remains complacent with a garbage football product while he lines his pockets with a piece of an evenly distributed BTN revenue stream. Perhaps I'm just expecting too much...
They had TWO weeks of preparation for the game. What happened?
Nine penalties in the first half, including two personal fouls. That means the team was poorly prepared and undisciplined. That's squarely on the coach's shoulders.
We have MANY healthy running backs, but two questionable QB's. So what do we do? We throw the ball many more times than we pass it. Our star running back, Ralph Bolden, has SEVEN or so carries. It is Football 101 that running backs get STRONGER as the game goes on. So that's poor coaching decisions.
Tackling was a joke. That's poor coaching.
Burke really can't do much at this point except grit his teeth. But after the season's over, Hope needs to go.
Do you realize that since the early sixties, Purdue has had just THREE coaches that have had more than one winning season?
Mollenkopf (1960's)
Young (late 1970's)
Tiller (late 90's - mid 2000's)
That means that the Purdue athletic department historically and institutionally makes very poor hiring decisions in the football program. Needless to say, Purdue has NEVER hired TWO successful coaches in a row in that time. That's unacceptable.
When I grew up, Wisconsin and Iowa were doormats, and Purdue could count on them every year for a win. Otherwise, Purdue would have 2-3 wins a year at best. That is no longer the case. Both programs compete year in and year out for the conference title. And I mean for the last twenty plus years.
You can't just say "pay the money and get a great coach." That ain't gonna happen. The $ just isn't there. HOWEVER, the AD should do their homework better. I believe Urban Meyer's first head coaching job was at Bowling Green. Utah hired him and he turned them into a powerhouse. Now, there aren't a LOT of Urban Meyers around, but with a bit more savvy and homework, we could be in a position to bring in the next one. And NOT NECESSARILY with Purdue connections. Our history shows that, with few exceptions, having a Purdue connection means a track record of FAILURE.
And it's not academics that keeps Purdue back. Otherwise Stanford would have given up their football program. How can Northwestern, which is several miles ahead of Purdue academically, still manage to go bowling consistently?
It's not about markets, either. A lot of people say "Why would a kid want to play in West Lafayette, Indiana?" Oh, so LINCOLN, NEBRASKA is better? Or Boise, Idaho? Or Eugene Oregon?
Purdue is, unfortunately, an insular institution where people like nancy cross aren't fired for their stupidity - they're kicked upstairs (remember Bob DeMoss??), until at some point you have the same dimwits going to the same parties and thinking the same thoughts, which are usually, "I'm okay. This is the way we've ALWAYS done it."
Looking forward to basketball season.
There IS talent in the football program. But it's clear it's NOT in the coaching department.
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Danny Hope has the 2nd-lowest salary of B1G coaches and 5th-lowest of the major conference coaches. We are getting out of him exactly what we are paying. You can justify paying more for a football coach than what we are paying if we get a quality coach that can put butts in the seats and produce excitement around the program. Football is the major revenue generator. Going cheap will just perpetuate the problem. Lucking out every once in awhile isn't working. Burke needs to fork over the dough to a proven head coach- that is the only way to attract quality coaching to WL.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm
Just for fun, can anyone provide a short list of capable coaching candidates?
Here's the ground rules:
1) Sumlin is too obvious.
2) Don't be silly: Gruden, Holtz or Kiffin aren't even likely.
So who is it?
@ caryNW87
http://www.hammerandrails.com/2011/9/14/2424920/who-could-be-purdues-coach
I wrote this up at Hammer & Rails. It isn't an exhaustive list by any means but I would like to think it's a bunch of guys we may take a look at.
I enjoy reading Boiled Sports and have been checking it every few days for the last 3 months. I agree about the tackling but I think we'll see an adjustment. The coaches took the blame for that, after last season I understand them wanting to play it safe but maybe they over-adjusted. Coaching is questionable but I've seen Hope get a bad rep from media for calls that were actually made by Gary Nord.
Just pointing out that ESPN commentators thought the Siller trick play was the right play at the right time, just not well-executed. I felt like it could have worked if the throw had been better. They also said after Bolden's first few attempts that were shut down that Purdue would have to play the pass instead of the run if they wanted to have any success. Frankly I thought Bolden and the running co. didn't look very good in the first quarter. Maybe the line couldn't block effectively, I'd have to watch the tape again to know for sure. Not trying to put J Money's opinion down, I wanted to see Bolden do a lot more too but maybe there was something to PU's pass over run approach after all.
if ND had a couple turnovers and still creamed Michigan State, then you can't be too surprised at what happened against us when they played a perfect game. I badly wanted Purdue to beat ND, but I didn't think this was the year since we've had so much inconsistency at QB. I love watching Marve play but he can't be expected to come into the game and run the offense as effectively without a few more games under his belt.
I still feel like we will give Penn State, OSU and Iowa a run for their money, given Marve gets some more reps and game-time and some defensive adjustments are made. The last two times we played Notre Dame prior to this past weekend, they were a younger and less-explosive team. This was probably our 2nd toughest game (1st being Wisconsin). We might need a couple years of good solid 6 or 7 win seasons before we can be competitive with ND and such. Hoping to see these guys bounce back against Minnesota and Penn State!
CalTravelGuy...you're 100% on the mark. It's about business and money. Purdue can field a team and fund it's sports budget through the Big Ten Channel. And yes, Painter put his foot down so as not to live in a culture of "just competing". I don't think it was a culture of losing. This university never had aspirations or expectations of a national championship. It took Painter to create that shift. I think Tiller could've done it IF he was younger and not finished with his coaching career.
Watching the Penn State vs. Indiana game, I think we're capable of beating both. Add Minnesota and I agree three more wins are possible.
Purdue is searching for a new university President. I recommend everyone write your alumni trustees and push for a President who understands the value of a winning sports program COMBINED with academic excellence. Francis Cordova was a great president and loved the students. But her resume did not include sports.
Change begins at the top...not in the seats. The Big Ten television network revenues have nullified any influence brought on by the fat wallets of John Purdue Club members.
As for possible head coach nominations? Success breeds success. I'd take a look at anyone associated with Nick Saban, Jim Tressell (yes, the vest man), or Frank Beamer. There is a head offensive or defensive coordinator out there who might be ready to step up. Purdue just needs to stop looking in the bargain bin of the local Wal-mart.
To Aquidneck Island Boilermaker,
It's funny that you mention Tiller. During the whole Painter/Mizzou drama in April, he actually came out at one point and stated that he sympathized with Painter's situation, implying that he had run into similar problems during his tenure as coach. Tiller said that it was hard for him to maintain a good program at Purdue as many of his assistant coaches kept leaving for better job opportunities because the AD wouldn't allow him to pay them more. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been planning a similar stunt to try to force the AD's hand into giving more support to the football program had he achieved a few more successful seasons. Unfortunately, after the "fumble," things on the field kind of fell apart and he lost the clout and leverage that he previously had.
Here's the article:
http://www.purdueexponent.org/sports/article_2f30cc7a-5a72-11e0-a0cc-0017a4a78c22.html
Good post. I have never left a game as early as I did on Saturday. Left after ND scored to make it 28-3. I was thrilled to get back to Indy before midnight. I am ready for the Sumlin or Leach era.
Ultimately I feel the economics will force Morgan Burke's hand into making a change if this season continues to spiral downward. When Tiller was hired in, Purdue's athletic department was economically adjusted to sustain itself on a mediocre football crowd. After Tiller came in, the crowd, expectations, and revenue increased.
Now, revenue is slipping. Crowds are shrinking back, and even though Purdue has Big Ten Network money, the athletic department is going to feel this hit. When budget time comes around, if the figures are bad enough, Burke will do something.
What we have to hope is either this happens before the program has sunk beyond repair and is devoid of any athletic talent, or that Hope pulls off a miracle and turns into the coach that we expected him to be.
@CalTravelGuy, attendance will not stay at 40,000 for the year. I touched a bit on this in my blog, but the student section is getting fed up. A few years ago I saw an article comparing football attendance in the big ten and what percentage of that was made up by students. Purdue ranked third behind Ohio State and Penn State. If the student section starts bailing, things will get worse in Ross-Ade. And these losses are making it easier for students to stay at the bar and at home drinking then stand in the cold for three hours. No amount of beer can make you sit and watch your team get blown out repeatedly week after week.
I'm not sure how much Mike Leach would cost but bring him in. He will allow you to at least complete and be relevant. He may be an asshole but why not. Plus last offseason when he was asked what jobs he was interested in, he said "all of them". I assume that means Purdue also.
bugmanjon:
Interesting article - Mike Leach is certainly interesting, and of course Sumlin seems like a good fit.
Don't get me wrong, Dan Hope seems enthusiastic, energetic, and the players seem to like him. Also, dude can recruit - just look at our commit list for 2012 so far.
I just think he might be in over his head. Put him in the MAC and he would tear things up.
Thanks for the article Blue Dragon. I didn't see that. Yes, I believe Tiller was in a position to make changes in university philosophy but when your team loses it's entire focus (and season)over that specific Orton fumble, that begs the question about the head coache's competence to make demands.
If the students care about the coaching situation as much as alumni, I'd like to see them send a message of sorts where if Minnesota begins to blow us out in the first half, everyone gets up and leaves. Kind of like a reverse flash mob.
Does anyone think Purdue's DROP in the US News College rankings has anything to do with the recent performance of the football team?
Abby-
Yeah, Leach may be an a-hole, but that does seem to be working out great for Wisconsin. Do you think they would dream of trading winning and Bielema for losing with Hope- not a chance! Of course, I would rather not have an a-hole, but winning would be very nice!
two words: Rich Rod.
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